Author Topic: as an exercise - ucc should review it's current policies in line with state laws  (Read 2489 times)

goodstoryteller

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Denise and others


I agree with your interpretation that it is the church not the clergy that set the policy--though no doubt influenced heavily by clergy.  In the cases I am aware of where they are refusing to perform the civil marriage but offering the same Christian wedding/blessing to all it is a congregational decision not simply the clergy.

Robert:

When you and others spew hateful comments here is that a hate "crime" in your understanding?It is my understanding that some of the fundamentalist Mormons who have not accepted the ban on polygamous marriages--a condition for Utah becoming a state--do practice blessings for multiple marriages but these are not legal marriages.

Any guy or gal can have multiple consensual sexual relations with other adults. And while Adultery can be considered in divorce--we have not had a stoning--in several years.  However one of the things that has come to greater light with the DADT is that sodomy and adultery is still a crime in the Unified Military Code.  Largely ignored--one of the things my brother did as an Army officer in Korean War was to go around checking the prostitutes for STD's

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I'M not sure which thread you mentioned difference between UCC and your UCA.
That difference at least in part is based in polity.  UCA has a Presbyterian type polity with oversite as one moves up the ladder of organizational hierarchy.  That is just not present in the UCC's congregational polity--Association, Conference, GS has no over site authority of a local congregation.  The relationship is a covenantal partnership.

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thanks for the upshot

I thought that... but everytime I enquired they told me it was congregational

so in strategy terms that means us poofs need to get elected to genereal assemblies and state conventions to have effect on synog ~ the decision body


what would really be great though - if as a sister organisation ucc wrote a letter to our moderator voicing solidarity with aussie glbts and disappointment at the slow rate of reform which the uca has demonstrated in this area, and a reminder as to their non-conformist ideals and obligations!
WARNING - Steven Clifford will abuse the privilege of personal information you reveal concerning yourself to his advantage - he will also seek to intimidate you with anything you share about yourself to advantage his BWF position - this www is not a safe place for vulnerable people... esp. glbt folk

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Even if you get something passed at General Synod, all the resolution can do is request that churches, associations, conferences, and other settings (outdoor ministries, etc.) of the United Church of Christ prayerfully consider the resolution.

Each congregation and setting has power over itself, and a relationship with other congregations and settings.

If one wanted to make all of the churches ONA, one would have to convince enough people in each congregation and setting. That percentage may vary, as each congregation and setting has its own bylaws that determine what makes a quorum, what percentage are required to adopt a statement such as ONA, etc.
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And churches (and pastors) can refuse to marry any couple.

You can be refused because you're an interracial couple: http://www.skeptictank.org/wedband.htm

You can be refused because you're different religions.

You can be refused because you've been married before.

You can be refused because one or both of you is infertile.


There are even a few whites-only churches still around.
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it's a position of faith for micks...

wow...who is being prejudice now?