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Universal Life Church ordination
« on: June 09, 2011, 01:39:38 AM »
I was involuntarily ordained in the Universal Life Church in the mid 1990's (before they went online). So I'm legally clergy in my state. I should probably renounce that or something while I'm in seminary.
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Re: Universal Life Church ordination
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2011, 08:52:18 PM »
I think that would be a good idea.

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Re: Universal Life Church ordination
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2011, 11:16:43 PM »
I wonder how that's done.
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Re: Universal Life Church ordination
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2011, 03:23:53 AM »
I was so curious that I read up on it.  There belief is that everyone is a minister, plain and simple.  This is not much different than UCC thinking except we find no need to ordain people for that.   Actually their ordination process sounds even more simple that joining a UCC church.  Do nothing, the ordination is different.  I am thinking of asking them to ordain me as a free thinker but I doubt that will really change who I am especially when I choose to be a stubborn thinker.

Now if they have you on some sort of mailing list, then it might be prudent to write them a letter and asked to be dropped from their membership and mailing list.  But I would leave it alone if they are not trying to contact you.  Put the card in your scrapbook with a note saying “Yes, I am a minister for Christ and always will be.”  Our UCC ordination is something much more.

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Re: Universal Life Church ordination
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2011, 03:51:32 PM »
The Universal Life Church started out as a way to be ordained in order to avoid the draft.  The last time I read any of their literature was twenty years ago.  At that time, they were saying a person could be ordained, declare his or her house to be a church, and avoid paying taxes.

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Re: Universal Life Church ordination
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2011, 10:55:03 PM »
Grant, some not so bright people may have thought that, but it did not help people avoid the draft or taxes, except for providing someone the option of opting out of the Social Security program.  (Again, not such a bright idea.)  I got my info from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Life_Church

Because of their stated beliefs, I do not believe they they offer an option of dropping out, especially as now two seperate organizations now claim to be running the show.  My advice is to ignore them and not worry about it, unless they are sending her junk mail all the time.
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Re: Universal Life Church ordination
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2011, 02:02:41 AM »
I think it would be helpful to be able to tell a UCC Committee on the Ministry, "I have renounced my Universal Life Church ordination."  Even if the Universal Life Church does not accept the renunciation of ordination, I think the UCC committee would like hearing that someone had done everything in his or her power.

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Re: Universal Life Church ordination
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2011, 09:08:30 PM »
Grant, I fully understand where you are coming from.  Yet I want to quibble even though I do not know the circumstances as to how Cindy came to be ordained this way.  To me this only represents a marker on the path of spiritual growth.

This so called "ordination" of the ULC only represents a theological statement related to the priesthood of all believers.  Therefore, let's just take it as it is.  I would not want to renounce my belief in the "Priesthood of all believers."  I would only renounce my affiliation (if there ever was any) with the ULC.

In my youthful college days as a Jesus Freak, I once found a United Pentecostal group that insisted that one had to be baptized by immersion by "JESUS NAME!" as in the Book of Acts and not by the formula offered at the end of the Book of Matthew.  At the time, this made sense to me, so I was baptized, but never joined that church.  But even if I had joined that church and then come back the UCC (which I did), none of this mattered to my Church and Ministry Committee.  What mattered to them most was my Faith Journey, and my current theology.

After all, most people have a bit of weird stuff happen to them on the way in our faith journeys.  What matters is where we are now, and what direction we are going.

If someone would have asked me to renounce that baptism in “Jesus’ Name.” I would not have done so.  Anyone can see that there is actually more Biblical proof that it was the preferred formula in the early church, before the tradition and doctrine of the trinity became such an issue for  people who had a stick shoved up their back side.  Thankfully, my committee was wise enough to just discuss the various beliefs of the trinity that they all had and decided that I was well within acceptable bounds.

If I were sitting on Cindy’s ordination committee of ordination and a fellow member asked her to renounce that ordination, I would kindly ask them to step out of the room and gently remove the stick that was protruding out of their back side.
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Re: Universal Life Church ordination
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2011, 03:52:51 AM »
I'm not thinking of what I would say as a member of the committee, I've never been one.  However, I've been before the committee and I've been a mentor to someone before the committee.  I'm not looking at the way things should be.  I'm looking at the way things really are.  I want to remove all potential obstacles.

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Re: Universal Life Church ordination
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2011, 07:39:40 AM »
I have a confirmation e-mail from ULC.

I'm happy.
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Re: Universal Life Church ordination
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2011, 10:33:19 AM »
hell - even little ol' me is an outstanding vicar of this great little church

even got my ordination certificate and diploma to prove it - well I did have until the Bremer River washed everything down the ol' proverbial  8) ::)

I'd even saved the yankie stamp it came with


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