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Theology Forum / Re: the Book of Isaiah
« Last post by gary sechler on June 25, 2014, 05:03:58 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Isaiah 45 23-end 46 1-6 lesson
23.  I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

The most binding oath one can take is to swear by the name of God, and here God swears by His own name, that He shall subdue all of humanity in order to create His kingdom,
where all will be treated with respect and dealt with justly.

 24.  Surely, shall one say, In the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

It is normal and natural that at some time during the process of Justification, some will be angry with God, but when the full truth is known, they will understand why God did what He did and be ashamed for being angry with Him for doing just what He had to do to save them from themselves.

 25.  In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

The Hebrew word that is translated as “justified” is a description of the reason for being Justified.  The original meaning is in order to “live in beauty together as youth beginning.”  Meaning that when we enter the world we will live a beautiful, pleasant, enjoyable life together with our neighbors.

Now Isaiah 46
1.  Bel bows down, Nebo stoops, their idols were upon the beasts, and upon the cattle: your carriages were heavy laden; they are a burden to the weary beast.

Bel and Nebo were ancient gods who had died centuries ago, who were remembered by their idols, over the centuries their priests had created rites of worship, that were designed to keep people tied to the false gods, so that the priests could maintain a good living.  When the people moved, the idols had to be moved, and here God, through the pen of Isaiah, is saying that the idols are a useless heavy load for the beasts of burden to carry.  Centuries ago, Bel and Nebo became subservient to Jeue, which is what the bowing and stooping is all about, which is further explained in the next verse.

 2.  They stoop, they bow down together; they could not deliver the burden, but themselves are gone into captivity.
3.  Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb:
 4.  And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you.

With Jeue, He is with you from the time you begin to form in your mother’s womb, shares your life, all the way until your old age, when your hair turns gray, and you do not need to bear or carry Him, but He will lift you up and carry you and in times of trouble, He will deliver you from that trouble.  He has created you and He will carry you, whenever necessary.

5.  To whom will you liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?

Of course there is no one who is like God, no one is equal to Him, no one can be compared to Him.  One day in the future, we will be spiritually equal with Jesus, so that we may become His brothers and sisters in His Kingdom, which will make us part of the body of God, but God is so vast, it is impossible for anyone to be equal with Him.

 6.  They lavish gold out of the bag, and weigh silver in the balance and hire a goldsmith; and he makes it a god: they fall down, yes, they worship.

This is why God did not want them to make any images of Him, the proper way to worship God is to follow His way, and do His commandments.  People have a natural tendency to respect an image of God, that “respect” can change to worship in time and people can forget that the image is not God, and will begin to treat the image as if it is God, which demeans and disrespects God Himself.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: The Book of Ezekiel
« Last post by gary sechler on June 24, 2014, 07:35:57 PM »
Proof of God 318 Ezekiel 24 8-10 Lesson
Interpreting the Bible
8.  To rouse my wrath, to take vengeance, I have set on the bare rock the blood she has shed, that it may not be covered. 

God has caused the blood that has been shed within Jerusalem, to collect allegorically on a rock in Jerusalem and Judah, so that it is always in his vision and on His mind, and He will use that blood to inspire His wrath against them, to make sure they suffer, as they have caused others to suffer.  The things that happened in Judah and Jerusalem because
of the elders refusal to change to please God, stands out as a “bare rock” covered with blood, through the continuing problems that plague the area over the “Palestinian Issue,” which is parabled by the “Dome of the Rock,”  A Jeueish (Jewish) holy site that is under the control of the Muslims on the Temple mount in Jerusalem.  Only God can solve the problem.  We live forever, at the pleasure of God.  He is in control of our being removed from our dead or destroyed physical bodies, and in full control; of the Holy Spirit, through which we are saved and stored for resurrection.  How much pain and suffering we experience prior to that removal, is also in the control of God.  Where we are stored and what we go through during that period is also in the hands of God, and the Government will never have a controlling agency to judge or control God’s work in that department.  We are always subject to the will, mercy, and grace of God in that position so “fearing God” is a well phrased fact that must be dealt with when considering what happens to us when we die.  There is no means of “salvation” other than God, there is no means of avoiding the “will of God,” what He has planned for us, is what we are going to experience, and that experience will be determined by how we have treated others, and by others, I mean all others, which includes all animal life, this is supported by the traditional translation of scripture in Revelation 4 and Ezekiel 1 & 10 in the four creatures who stand at the corner of His throne who represent all animal life in the world.  The Lion represents all the wild animals, the Calf represents all the domesticated animals in the world, the Man represents all other humans in the world, and the eagle represents all of the birds in the world, how have you treated animals in this world?  We do not want to go through this life mistreating any animal, any more than we would want to mistreat our neighbors, it will return to visit us, when we are in the hands of God as we walk through the shadow of the valley of death.

9.  Therefore this says the Lord God: Woe to the bloody city! I also will make the pile great.

The “pile” refers to the “blood” that is on the rock, which must be paid for in suffering and justification, in order to prevent that blood from ever accumulating again.  That blood continues to accumulate, because of the “Dome of the Rock” which is a Muslim mosque on the temple mount in Jerusalem, which is an extreme sore spot between the Muslims and Jeues (Jews).  Once is enough, if God is careful in dealing out the proper amount of Justification.  Not one of those souls would have to experience another siege, after the siege of Jerusalem by Rome. 
10.  Heap on the logs, kindle the fire, boil well the flesh, and empty out the broth, and let the bones be burned up. 

The “bones be burned up” was a way of telling them that those souls who fail to follow the ways of God would not be resurrected.  That will be cleared up when we get to Ezekiel 37 where those old dry bones are raised up to gain new flesh and sinew and God breathes life back into them.  It is the reason the Catholic church used to dig up the bones
of dead heretics and burn them, as they did Tyndales, the belief was, no bones, no resurrection, which is why the resurrection is miss-handled as it is in the New Testament.  The authors were locked into the traditional translation of Ezekiel’s chapter 37, which is wrong.  God does not need our old bones, to resurrect us, He makes new bones every
day.  The resurrection is handled well in the original Hebrew, it is just hard to accept unless God opens your eyes to who He is and how He works in the world, at that point in time nothing makes sense until the resurrection is explained, then it all falls into place and becomes fully understood. In our future we return as babies with our memories available in stages, depending upon our role in God’s Kingdom.  Until we attain
Sanctification, all memories are sealed, except those we are allowed to keep because of the good we did with them in a prior life, which is normally described as a natural talent for something.  This is the logic behind Jesus’ parable of the “talents.”  If we use our memories or talents to do good or “earn” more talents for God, God increases our memories or talents so we may do more for the Kingdom.  If God gives us a memory or talent, and we fail to use it, God will take it away and give it to someone who will use it to do good in the world.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: the Book of Isaiah
« Last post by gary sechler on June 24, 2014, 07:25:29 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Isaiah 45 15-22 lesson
15.  Verily you are a God that hides yourself, O God of Israel, the Savior.

The Hebrew word translated as “verily,” is an explanation for why God hides Himself among us, it has an original meaning of “the one who loves knowledge.”  By hiding among us, God sees everything we do, and is capable of judging us fairly and completely, because He knows what is in our hearts.  The Hebrew word translated as “savior,” is close to the word that Strong lists as “messiah,” but ends differently.  Strong’s word, which comes from Daniel 9 has an original meaning of “thoughts return of life to keep.”  This word means, “ thoughts start to return to live happy.”

 16.  They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.

In the NIV, they change “confusion” to “will be disgraced,” but being “confused,” or not believing in the true God, is what will lead them to being disgraced.

17.  But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: you shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

What a great verse, it just destroys the message of those who put forth a never ending Hell, if properly understood.  It means, that yes, they will go through Hell, but they will not remain there, God will save them, He is not a sadist.  They despite being tragic sinners, will be purified, made clean, and will live with Him forever in His Kingdom,
“world without end,” means “forever.”  In fact, the NIV changes it to “everlasting.”  The original meaning of the word is “happy together.”

 18.  For this says the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth
and made it; he has established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.

God made this world for us to live here, and He will not destroy us, but will remake us in the spiritual image of Jesus so we can live forever with Him here on earth.

 19.  I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek me in vain: I the Lord speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

So true, the Book of Isaiah is well known among those who have been introduced to it through the Jeueish and Christian faiths.  In this book of Isaiah, God has spoken righteously and has declared things that are right.

 20.  Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, you that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.

God makes a plea to those who do not yet know Him. This is also a plea to those who do know God to evangelize to those who are ignorant of God.

 21.  Tell you, and bring them near; yes, let them take counsel together: who has declared this from ancient time? who has told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.

This is the basic understanding of God at work.  God gave His prophets knowledge of the future and He did it hundreds of years and in cases, thousands of years before it happened.  Now understanding that there is a God who is all powerful, and who has the knowledge and wisdom to save our souls when we die and then to resurrect us, where when and how, He desires, it is obvious that there is none besides Him.

 22.  Look unto me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

God is all over the earth, and because of the “Tower of Babel,” He goes by many names, but all of the names describe His ability to create, to save and to resurrect.  He gives all the same law, to love our neighbors as our selves, and to treat them the way we want to be treated.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: The Book of Ezekiel
« Last post by gary sechler on June 23, 2014, 07:58:00 PM »
Proof of God 317 Ezekiel 24 1-7 Lesson
Interpreting the Bible
Ezekiel 24: 1.  In the ninth year, in the tenth month, on the tenth day of the month, the word of the Lord came to me: 

The translation begins again with the naming of a day that Babylon began its attack on Jerusalem.  If you remember, no actual date is recorded, all are generalizations based upon approximate passages of time.  For instance “forty days” actually means the approximate amount of time required for a woman to know if she is pregnant, not an actual numerical reference to 40 days.
The “ninth year” would be a reference to the ninth year after the first incursion by Babylon, only 2 months from being exactly 10 years later, if the date was accurate.

 2.  "Son of man, write down the name of this day, this very day. The king of Babylon has laid siege to Jerusalem this very day. 

Now, it begins “Now,” the Babylonians are knocking on the door, and Hell is only moments away, a Hell that will last for the next 720 years.  O course this is prophecy, still many years in the future, but the indication is that God gave Ezekiel the exact date on which the war would begin and if Ezekiel wrote it down, it did not make it through the translators.

 3.  And utter an allegory to the rebellious house and say to them, This says the Lord God: Set on the pot, set it on, pour in water also; 

An “allegory” is a parable, and the “pot” that is being “set upon the fire,” is Jerusalem.  The water represents the king of Babylon’s army that is coming to fill that pot, in order to “boil” the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

 4.  put in it the pieces of flesh, all the good pieces, the thigh and the shoulder; fill it with choice bones. 

Of course, the “pieces of flesh,” represents all the elite of Jerusalem, all the elders, all the priests, scribes, Sadducees, & Pharisees.  They are the ones who have built the fire that is going to cook them, as Jerusalem is being destroyed and all their families are killed, raped, robbed, and enslaved.  It is an evil soup that God is making for them to eat and digest, and it will continue as the main source of their diet for the next 720 years.

5.  Take the choicest one of the flock, pile the logs under it; boil its pieces, boil also its bones in it.

“The choicest one of the flock,” meaning the king, build up a hot fire by piling logs under the pot, and cook his very bones.  The concept of the resurrection, at that time, was from Ezekiel 37, which we haven’t gotten to yet, where the bones rise up and are covered with new flesh, and God breathes life back into them.  No bones, no resurrection.  Cooking the bones, would destroy them.  He is saying that the king will not be resurrected.  That is also the purpose of the bones mentioned in verse 4.  However, God does not need old bones, He makes new bones every day.

6.  "Therefore this says the Lord God: Woe to the bloody city, to the pot whose rust is in it, and whose rust has not gone out of it! Take out of it piece after piece, without making any choice. 

We are in the middle of an allegory, or parable of God cooking the people of Jerusalem in their own hot water.  The rust, would indicate that the cast iron pot has not been properly seasoned, and God had manufactured a new pot to cook them in.  All of them will be treated equally, all will be left in the pot until they are thoroughly cooked.  God is not going to treat one piece or one soul, if you prefer, better than the rest, by removing it from the fire before the others.

 7.  For the blood she has shed is still in the midst of her; she put it on the bare rock, she did not pour it upon the ground to cover it with dust.
If blood is poured out in the dust, the dust will soak it up.  If blood is poured out upon a rock, it will pool up and remain visible for all to see, who pass by.  God’s point being that all of their neighbors will know that they have sinned against their God, and there was no way God was going to allow them to continue in their sins.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: the Book of Isaiah
« Last post by gary sechler on June 23, 2014, 07:31:48 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Isaiah 45 7-13 lesson
 7.  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

This is one of the most difficult verses in the Bible for people to deal with, who have been taught that God is good and does not create evil.  Yet God is forced to test people in order to find their “desire to sin,” and the natural result of that testing, is that some will fail the test and create evil.  God is not directly responsible, but since He is the source of the testing, which does bring about the evil, this verse is perfectly accurate.  Though most modern translations change the wording in order to put God in a better light in the translator’s minds.

8.  Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.

For centuries people have read this verse, and looked forward to God bringing down His righteousness in an instant, not realizing that the righteousness cannot come about instantly, it takes thousands of years of preparation of cleansing evil souls before they will be good enough to live in a perfect world.  If they are not cleansed of their “desire to sin,” they would simply repollute that perfect world.

 9.  Woe unto him that strives with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashions it, what makes you? or your work, He has no hands?

Woe, “trouble” to those who strive, or “fight’ with God, their “maker.”  God is trouble for all of those who do not believe in Him, for everyone has to deal with their sins, in order to learn not to sin, through the process of Justification.  One who believes in his “maker,” is more likely to try to follow the way of God, leaving fewer sins to be Justified for.  We find the rest of this verse expanded upon by Jeremiah and appearing in chapter 18, and additional references in Paul’s appeal to leaders of the church in Jerusalem in Romans 9.  The book of Romans is the original argument to the church for not having new Greek converts circumcised.  The title of the book was changed to Romans after the church in Jerusalem was relocated to Rome and with the translating of the Bible by Jerome into the Latin vulgate.

 10.  Woe unto him that says unto his father, What begets you? or to the woman, What have you brought forth?

True, Just imagine how a mother and father would feel and in that day and age, act, if they showed their newborn to someone and they replied with the above comments, there would definitely be hard feelings and with some parents, violence in return.

 11.  This says the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me about things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command me.

The word “command,” also means  “to ask,” as it is used here.  God plans our future and then leads us to carry it out; therefore, He is the only one who can tell what is going to happen.

 12.  I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

“Host” here refers to all the angels, who numbered in the millions at that time.  God is using the creation of the world as an example of His ability to perform unbelievable works, as a reference point for understanding how He can control the life of one man to bring about the deeds He seeks to accomplish.

 13.  I will raise him (Cyrus) up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, says the Lord of hosts.

I have changed the context from past tense to future tense, which is how it would have been written.  All of these things are easily within the abilities of God and easily
accomplished by Him.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: The Book of Ezekiel
« Last post by gary sechler on June 22, 2014, 06:08:10 PM »
Proof of God 316 Ezekiel 23 43-end Lesson
Interpreting the Bible
43.  Then said I unto her that was old in adulteries, Will they now commit whoredoms with her, and she with them?

The one who was “old” in adulteries, was the Sabeans.

44.  Yet they went in unto her, as they go in unto a woman that plays the harlot: so went they in unto Aholah and unto Aholibah, the lewd women.

Remember that “aholah is a parable name for Samaria, and Aholibah is a parable name for Jerusalem.  God through Ezekiel continues to harp on this theme of not committing adultery.  Adultery is to be avoided at all costs, a man is to cling to his wife and a wife to her husband, never straying, and never venturing into another’s bed.  In order to continue living a happy successful life, it is required to be faithful, pure and good to your spouse, and to God (Jeue).

Ezekiel 23:  45.  And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.

They are going to be judged by the “righteous men” of Babylon, of course their idea of “righteousness,” will be very different from the “righteousness,” of God, but since the sought to be like the people of Babylon, they will suffer the judgment of those they thought so highly of.  How the Babylonians dealt with adulteresses is how they will be dealt with.  How Babylonians dealt with women who shed blood, is how they will be dealt with, they will all die a horrible death, or be taken into captivity.

46.  For thus saith the Lord God; I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled.

“spoiled,” as it  is used here, does not mean to turn rotten or soured, but to be robbed of everything of value, both financially and personally.  They will loose everything they valued, and they will learn, the hard way, what should be of value in life, and how to attain and keep it.

47.  And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire.

How many people have they stoned for adultery?  How many hungry people have they slew with swords, instead of giving them food?  How many sons and daughters of their neighbors, have they destroyed their futures by misusing them sexually and ruining any future family life for them?  How many homes have they destroyed with their fire of greed?  All of their evil will return and come home to roost, as they have done, they will be done unto.
 Ezekiel 23: 48.  Thus will I cause lewdness to cease out of the land, that all women may be taught not to do after your lewdness.

Now after all of the translators attempts to avoid putting the actual cause for the second Babylonian invasion upon their forefathers, God saw to it, that one verse that would fully condemn them came through unscathed.  “All women may be taught not to do after your lewdness.  The main cause of their problems, was the corruption of their young women at a time that would prevent them from ever being considered as a wife and mother.  By causing the 720 years of a self imposed Hell to come upon them, these lewd practices would fall from memory, and God would cause their lewdness to disappear from the land, and it did.  Which allowed God the time needed to create standards, within the community, that would stop the perversion of young Jeueish (Jewish) women.

49.  And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and you shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I am the Lord God.

See, here we are again right back at “bear the sins of your idols,” which are code words for perverting young women as they are going through puberty, which is what was explained in verse 48.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: the Book of Isaiah
« Last post by gary sechler on June 22, 2014, 05:59:13 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Isaiah 44 28-end 45 1-6 lesson

 28.  That says of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, You shall be built; and to the temple, your foundation shall be laid.

The Hebrew word translated as Cyrus, is based in Strong’s # 3770 which means a bloated belly, like a pregnant woman or a beer belly man.  It is modified into Strong’s # 3566/7 which has a (Hebrew letter) vav inserted as the second letter to create the name of Cyrus, which, as most modern scholars consider to have been added after the events had happened, Isaiah did not put the name of Cyrus in the original manuscript, with the understanding that Cyrus was his name, but he did put the name in, in the Hebrew fashion of having names that related to the work of the person named or of something that happened in their life, for instance Jacob means, “lived happy with his young wife.”  The Hebrew word that was later given the name “Cyrus,” described what Cyrus was going to do for the Jeues (Jews).  It’s original meaning is “to drink of love starts to create a return,” which Cyrus, by allowing the Jeues (Jews) to return to Judah and authorizing the rebuilding of the temple and the walls of Jerusalem, the people began to “drink of God’s love for them again, he created its return.”  While Isaiah did not exactly name Cyrus by using the formal name “Cyrus,” he did use a word created just to describe what Cyrus would do for the Jeueish (Jewish) people, which goes far beyond accurately calling him Cyrus.

Isaiah 45

 1.  This says the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I will hold, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

Nothing happens in this world, unless God causes it or allows it to happen, so yes God held cyrus’ hand all the way through his life.

 2.  I will go before you, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

God had judgment to bring down upon those who would be standing in the way of Cyrus, and God would clear the way for his victories.

 3.  And I will give you the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that you may know that I, the Lord, which call you by your name, am the God of Israel.

Meaning that God would provide spies or traitors from among his enemies who would reveal to him their secrets, in order to aid his victories.

 4.  For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called you by your name: I have surnamed you, though you have not known me.

Yes from Isaiah 44:28 and from the explanation which God gave me, we know that God has surnamed him in the Hebrew language, and is allowing him to win his wars, so that he can fulfill god’s prophecy to allow the Jeues to return to Judea and rebuild the temple.  All of this is done in secret, Cyrus did not know, nor understand that God was on his side in winning his wars.

 5.  I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded you, though you have not known me:

But God knew Cyrus and knew that he would be the soul who would do just exactly what God required of him.

 6.  That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

Yes, eventually thousands of years later, as people study the Bible from a vantage point of knowing the full power of God and His ability to bring such things about, then yes this will be the case.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: Books for Discussion
« Last post by gary sechler on June 21, 2014, 06:24:21 PM »
I am currently reading Cross and Crown, from a copy published in 1882.  Most of you probably know that it is the story of the persecution of the reformed church by the Roman catholic church during the middle ages.  It does a wonderful job of detailing the Catholic church's fulfilling of the prophecies for the church in Revelation.  It also shows how God has been improving our world and making it a better place to live, while the Catholic church is still very far from God in its practices, it has ceased trying to eliminate the competition by burning them at the stake.
Theology Forum / Re: The Book of Ezekiel
« Last post by gary sechler on June 21, 2014, 06:13:55 PM »
Proof of God 315 Ezekiel 23 38-42 Lesson
Interpreting the Bible
38.  Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

Modern Jeues spell “Sabbath” “shabbat” but it still means the same thing it did when it was written, “return to woman arrives” it was intended as a day of rest from work, so a man could return to his wife and spend the day as a couple or as a family if they have children.  The advent of Christ, His ministry, death and resurrection gives us another day by creating the “weekend.”  Since the Jeues through competition to be “holier than thou” had turned the Sabbath into a day of doing nothing instead of being the day that God had intended.  God added Sunday as a day for being “holier than thou” or for doing nothing which freed Saturday up to be used for couples or the family to spend the day together doing family or couple things.  Today both days are used for doing nothing, with a minority using an hour out of 48 to “worship” God.  That is, of course, using a broad brush to paint what is actually a very intricate and diverse picture of what we do with our Sabbaths.  God’s original idea was to create a day for men to spend with their families, going to church is a wonderful way to spend part of it with their families.  It gives all of the family a chance to be inspired to do something for our fellow beings who share our world, but have not yet reached the point in Justification where they are willing to share their wealth and/or lives with those in need, or to join in honoring God by joining together with others who do to praise Him and to learn how to share in His work in the world, which is centered on purifying those who still ”desire to sin” through Justification, in order to bring them into the Kingdom of Heaven here on Earth where every child is to be born to a loving mother and father who will always be together, and each child, will arrive with a spouse planned for them to marry in order to share their life together forever, with love and peace for all.

Ezekiel 23: 39.  For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, this have they done in the midst of mine house.

Can you imagine anything worse than what is covered here.  God’s purpose is to cleanse the world of evil, and replace it with good, love, compassion, and forgiveness, and His people are killing or destroying the lives of their children and then coming into His temple to make sacrifice and seek atonement for their horrible deeds against the very thing that God seeks to create for them.  God has all He can take from them and knows the only way to change them is to repeatedly do unto them as they have been doing to their families.  So, for the next 720 years, God will.

40.  And furthermore, that you have sent for men to come from far, unto whom a messenger was sent; and, lo, they came: for whom you did wash yourself, painted your eyes, and decked yourself with ornaments,
41.  And sat upon a stately bed, and a table prepared before it, whereupon you have set my incense and my oil.
42.  And a voice of a multitude being at ease was with her: and with the men of the common sort were brought Sabeans from the wilderness, which put Bracelets upon their hands, and beautiful crowns upon their heads.

The Hebrew word translated as “Sabeans” means the “wisdom begins for a woman and a man to live married.”  The Sabeans were a people from the south tip of the Arabian peninsula in what is now Yeman.  When the Children of Israel left Sinai they wandered down on the backside of the mountains on the west coast of what is now Saudi Arabia, which depending upon how far South they went, would take them right to the Sabeans.  The Hebrew letter I am translating as “married” is a final or closed mem, which can also mean dead, because it represents a closed or “sealed” mind.  In the marriage that God is referencing here, it is a “closed” or “sealed” marriage, where neither the man nor the woman strays from the marriage.  The Sabeans appear to have a reputation for having sex with any available partner.  Of course this would have been a problem in any area of the world with extreme heat, where the inclination would be to remove clothes in an effort to stay cooler, which would lead to generating heat in a different manner.  This probably led to the other extreme of complete cover up of the women and the men in the Arabian and Israelite culture.  The original Hebrew gives instructions for the children to be taught to live their lives as a couple united in a closed marriage, thinking only of their one spouse to unite with to create children.  In the process creating beautiful memories that will remain with them throughout their lives together.  The secret to this lies in God creating pure men and women, remade into the perfect image of Jesus to share their lives together in unity as one, a family by God.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: the Book of Isaiah
« Last post by gary sechler on June 21, 2014, 06:02:51 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Isaiah 44 23-27 lesson
23.  Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord has done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the Lord has redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel.

The soul that was in Jacob when he lived, has been redeemed, and has been remade into Jesus, who has become the third part of our one God, and it is the Lord, Jeue, our creator,
who has accomplished this task.  The two parts of God, who made up God as we have known Him up until this time, the Father and the Holy Spirit has taken Jacob, Sanctified him through Justification, remaking Jacob into God and the three have been united into one.  We will pick this up at this point next week.
24.  This says the Lord, your redeemer, and he that formed you from the womb, I am the Lord that makes all things; that stretches forth the heavens alone; that spreads abroad the earth by myself;

The Hebrew word translated here as “Lord,” is Jeue.  The Hebrew word that is translated as “your redeemer” is another reference to the Trinity, it means “three Gods in the future,” God is having Isaiah tell the Priests and scribes, that when the Messiah comes, He, Jeue, will be three Gods in one, but they will still be Jeue the only God, and this is probably a major sticking point in his brother priests, being able to accept the words of Isaiah as being from God, but they are proved to be 100% true 700 years later. It may also be why Jesus read from Isaiah in Luke 4:

17.  And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
 18.  The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
 19.  To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Which we will encounter in Isaiah 61.

Isaiah 44: 25.  That frustrates the tokens of the liars, and makes diviners mad; that turns wise men backward, and makes their knowledge foolish;

As God is now doing to those fools who do not believe in God, and His ability to control these things, but do believe in “Global warming” and make foolish speeches as our current secretary of state John Kerry did to the world, just last week.  In declaring Obama and he to not be members of the “flat earth” society, he permanently placed themselves as founding members of the new formation of that “society.”

 26.  That confirms the word of his servant, and performs the counsel of his messengers; that says to Jerusalem, you shall be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, You shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:
As Isaiah is writing this, a lot of the cities in Judah have been destroyed by Sennacherib, and are in need of being rebuilt, thousands have been killed their population has been decimated, and that loss can be seen in the people who travel back and forth to Jerusalem for trade.  God is promising that that will return.  It will all happen again when Babylon comes a hundred years later, but for the near future, it will prosper.

 27.  That says to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up your rivers:

God is the one who can bring on a famine, and only He can stop that famine, with plenty
of rain, as California is in the process of finding out, at this very moment in 2013/14.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
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