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Preaching the Lectionary / Genesis 37: 1-4,12-28; Consider This:
« Last post by Richard Opper on August 10, 2014, 06:49:44 AM »
While we witness  evil these sons of Jacob are vital to God's plan of salvation, for they carry the seed of the Son of Man.

Theology Forum / Re: The Book of Ezekiel
« Last post by gary sechler on August 09, 2014, 09:54:01 PM »
Interpreting the bible Ezekiel 45:12-17
12.  And the shekel shall be twenty gerahs: twenty shekels, five and twenty shekels, fifteen shekels, shall be your Maneh.

These are measurements used for precious metals.  The currency in Israel today, is still called the “shekel.”  The “gerah,” was a smaller amount than the shekel, and the shekel was less than the maneh.  The “gerah” in the original Hebrew is based upon the ratio of a toddler child to a full grown adult.  The shekel is based upon a ration of a 12-15 year old youth to an adult.  The “maneh,” is based upon the image of a pregnant woman, the
concept being of having enough money to get it to reproduce.

 13.  This is the oblation that ye shall offer; the sixth part of an Ephah of an homer of wheat, and ye shall give the sixth part of an Ephah of an homer of barley:

The Hebrew word that is translated as “Oblation” is translated as “a special gift,” in the NIV.  Webster defines “oblation,” as the act of making a religious offering. It is also the source of our word “obligation,” meaning something that has to be done. The original meaning begins in the previous Hebrew word that is mistranslated as “this,” The original meaning is “starts a man to arrive here again creating to begin thinking here,” meaning that the “oblation” is given, in order to have his sins forgiven so he can begin again.

 14.  Concerning the ordinance of oil, the bath of oil, ye shall offer the tenth part of a bath out of the Cor, which is an homer of ten baths; for ten baths are an homer:

We have a new measurement here, a “Cor.” A Cor, is named after the real reason behind all this bathing, love, The original meaning of the Hebrew word translated as “Cor,” is “here love to create.”  While brotherly or Christian love is a possible reference point, the most likely original meaning would go back to sex in marriage.  Olive oil would have been used in cooking of both meat and vegetables, and of course to smooth out rough bodies, before love.  Giving it to the temple, as an oblation, it would be used by the priests in cooking, and of course at home for personal reasons.

 15.  And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, says the Lord God.

The Hebrew word translated as “Lord,” is of course “Adonai,” and the word translated as “God” is “Jeue,” which means “omnipresent creator.”

16.  All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel.

Again the translators continue to translate to the people in a way they would understand.  At the time that is being spoken of, there will be no “prince,” Ezekiel makes that clear in the original Hebrew.  The word translated as “prince,” originally meant, “to drink as children, returning to live as one,” which is what happens in the Kingdom of God, all are equal, we become as one. 
 17.  And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

Meaning, that while no one will be making the sacrifices as before the destruction of Herod’s temple, everyone will be doing any work that God needs to be done, until such time as that need disappears.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: the Book of Isaiah
« Last post by gary sechler on August 09, 2014, 09:10:35 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Isaiah 63 3-7
3.  I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.

See, God is accepting the responsibility for all the blood that was shed, as they were lead through Justification.  He is claiming responsibility for all that is about to happen to them when the Babylonian army comes in, the Greeks come through, and when the final incursion of the Romans happens, but God is a union, one made up of billions united in purpose and in work, of one mind.

4.  For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

The “redeemed” refers of course to the birth of Jesus, the original meaning of the word is “Three in one start to drink in life” meaning that God the Father, the Holy spirit and Jesus begin to drink of all lives.  The day of vengeance refers to the coming of the Babylonian army, the Greeks, Jesus, and the Romans.  It is called the “year of my redeemed,” because the length of Jesus’ ministry as was prophesied in Daniel 9, was 70 weeks, just a little over a year.  Sixty two weeks for His ministry, a week for His sacrifice, which was the week of Passover, and seven weeks for His resurrection appearances and to time the coming of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost upon the disciples.

 5.  And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.

Out of fear of the Romans, no one came to help Jesus in His moment of trial.  The “arm” of God is of course His angels, and they are the ones who brought salvation to Jesus by removing His soul as He hung on the cross and saved it for the resurrection.  “Passion” would be a better word than “fury” the original meaning of that Hebrew word is “start to keep the memories born,” which is what has been done, and the word “passion” has been used as a synonym for Jesus’ crucifixion which is where all the memories, the verse refers to, were born.

 6.  And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.

And God did just that, the Babylonian army walked all over them, the Greeks were so powerful they never raised a sword against them, and then when they rejected Jesus, God brought Rome in to grind them into the dust and banish them from what they thought was their strength, Jerusalem.

 7.  I will mention the loving kindnesses of the Lord, and the praises of the Lord, according to all that the Lord has bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which he has bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his loving kindnesses.

I know these two are hard to understand following each other, one describes God furious with them for their evil ways, the next describes God bestowing them with blessings and loving kindness, but when you consider that God gave them explicit directions on how to live and be blessed with all the blessing that God was capable of bestowing upon a people, and they, knowing these things turned their back on God and did exactly the opposite.  They knew what God wanted, and yet, what God wanted, was not what they wanted.  They wanted to do what they wanted and to receive God’s blessings anyway 
God doesn’t work that way, because what God wanted was for them to do what was right for their neighbors and family.  They were hurting each other and that had to stop, because God was their neighbors and family, so as they were doing to God, God was going to do to them, in order to teach them to never do those things again.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
basically the topic asks if we should succumb to facism?????  can one be Christian and facist??  well one can be christian and republican so who really knows, the sepeation of church and state should go both ways, the church should practice its beoiefs (feeding the hungry etc) in spit of government
Social Issues and Public Policy / Re: Gun Control II
« Last post by jxrryk on August 09, 2014, 07:36:00 AM »
gun control only keeps law abiding citizens from obtaining firearms, criminals do not go to dicks sporting goods
Social Issues and Public Policy / Re: How do You Feel About the children refugees ?
« Last post by jxrryk on August 09, 2014, 07:33:31 AM »
One criticism of church involvement is that the church gets them here, then abandons them to the welfare system, basically because it is not equipped to proceed beyond the first step in any meaningful way, and then the burden of feeding and housing, education etc falls upon the MA where I reside it is the biggest gripe about church involvement,  some churches have responded that their responsibility ends once the refugees are is a bit of a mess
Theology Forum / Re: The Book of Ezekiel
« Last post by gary sechler on August 08, 2014, 07:29:25 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Ezekiel 45 3-11 Lesson
3.  And of this measure shall you measure the length of five and twenty thousand, and the breadth of ten thousand: and in it shall be the sanctuary and the most holy place.
 4.  The holy portion of the land shall be for the priests the ministers of the sanctuary, which shall come near to minister unto the Lord: and it shall be a place for their houses, and an holy place for the sanctuary.

God is appearing to take care of those who do his work, when again we must remind ourselves, that at this time, we will all be one, united with God in His Kingdom and all will be treated the same, something that would have seemed unfair to the people of Ezekiel’s time, as well as to all those who have read Ezekiel over the past 2,500 years.

 5.  And the five and twenty thousand of length, and the ten thousand of breadth shall also the Levites, the ministers of the house, have for themselves, for a possession for twenty chambers.

So now, that massive area appears to have been doubled to give to the Levites for an inheritance.

6.  And ye shall appoint the possession of the city five thousand broad, and five and twenty thousand long, over against the oblation of the holy portion: it shall be for the whole house of Israel.

This is an interesting verse, a piece of land, half the size of the land set aside for the
temple, and only 25% as big as the pieces set aside for the Levites and the Temple, would be for all the people of Israel.  We can only assume that the thinking was that of the rest of the 10 tribes, the souls that would make it to the resurrection, would only number half as many as there would be Levites.  This is totally out of proportion.

 7.  And a portion shall be for the prince on the one side and on the other side of the oblation of the holy portion, and of the possession of the city, before the oblation of the holy portion, and before the possession of the city, from the west side westward, and from the east side eastward: and the length shall be over against one of the portions, from the west border unto the east border.

Of course, the “prince,” or King, would have His own share of land, there is no measurements here because no one would dream of dictating to the Messiah how much land He would receive.  The concept that all would be King, was just too much for them to fathom.

 8.  In the land shall be his possession in Israel: and my princes shall no more oppress my people; and the rest of the land shall they give to the house of Israel according to their tribes.

Since at that time, all will be princes, one, will not oppress another.
 9.  This says the Lord God; Let it suffice you, O princes of Israel: remove violence and spoil, and execute judgment and justice, take away your exactions from my people, says the Lord God.

At that time, there will be no execution of justice, because all will be just, therefore, justice will be the norm or standard for the world, no matter who you are, or where you are.

10.  You shall have just balances, and a just Ephah, and a just bath.

Meaning that everyone, will be fair and not attempt to cheat anyone.  Balances were a means of measuring how much product was returned for a price given.  An ephah was a dry measure used for grain or flour.  A “bath,” was a liquid measure, as a pint, or gallon.

 11.  The Ephah and the bath shall be of one measure, that the bath may contain the tenth part of an homer, and the Ephah the tenth part of an homer: the measure thereof shall be after the homer.

The weight of the ephah and the bath would be the same, and they would be an equal portion of a “homer,” which would be a larger measurement, and therefore have a greater weight.  The “ephah” was based in the amount of water it took for a man to cleanse himself.  The bath, which is a description of what a man does when he’s going to be around a woman, is based upon the amount of water a man would need to be cleansed in the eyes and nose of a woman.  While it states here that they are the same measure, they definitely did not begin with the same measure.  The “homer.” Would be the amount of water a woman would require for her “bath.”

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: the Book of Isaiah
« Last post by gary sechler on August 08, 2014, 07:22:23 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Isaiah 62 9-end 63 1-2
9.  But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the Lord; and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my holiness.

The blessing of plentiful food was one of the basic promises of a future heaven, and that can only be of use to a soul with a standard physical body, that requires standard food for nourishment.

 10.  Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people.
There will be no gates to bar those in God’s kingdom from entering in to eat at the Lord’s table.

 11.  Behold, the Lord has proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, your salvation comes; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

The daughters of Zion are the women who will follow Jesus, and Jesus is their salvation, and He brings His reward with Him, as souls are remade into perfect spiritual images of Jesus they receive their just reward for the work which they do in His name for God.

12.  And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the Lord: and you shall be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.

All the souls who become the “holy” people, or angels of God, are “sought out” by God, and remade into perfect spiritual images of God.  A city not forsaken !
Now Isaiah 63:

1.  Who is this that comes from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.

The original meaning of the Hebrew letters, is this: Think of a lifetime here as a woman and a man thinking as one together starting married.  Keeping memories starting beautiful. A couple with children together living married. Thinking as a couple, a beautiful creation here, a time again, Here together starting to create, a couple drinking again from the start returning again, a beautiful happiness here. A couple creating couples, with love to keep from the beginning, as one through life. Thinking together as a couple creating, a couple beautiful together as youth here, creating a couple to drink here starting at the return to live happy.
 This is the future of all souls who go through Justification unto Sanctification, and are remade into perfect spiritual images of Jesus, these are the ones who come from Edom, for their beginnings were the same as the sons of Ishmael.  Bozrah is only named as a place in Edom, it is never really specified where it is or how it was named.  It is used to indicate that the wearer of these garments received these “dyed garments” as a result of violence against their neighbors. Their history is a sordid one.  The use of the name Bozrah, creates that picture.  Despite this evil past where they were mighty as a warrior, and had much glory as a warrior, with great strength, think of Samson, Gideon, or David, all of whom were life time stops for the soul that became Jesus, and now at this point in time that Isaiah is writing about, these souls have been cleansed and are righteous, and are mighty to save, not to kill.

 2.  Why are you red in your apparel, and your garments like him that treads in the wine vat?

As we go further in the scripture, we find that the red color comes from blood, not from grapes, and that this is God, Jesus, and all who follow Him, while everyone will have a history with a bloody past, all will realize that God was the source of the problems, in order to remake us into spiritual images of Him and Jesus.  While the reference is to God, all of those who follow Him and come into His Kingdom join Him in His work to cleanse the world of evil, and so, when God gets bloody, they get bloody.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: The Book of Ezekiel
« Last post by gary sechler on August 07, 2014, 07:19:02 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Ezekiel 44 28-end 45 1-2
28.  And it shall be unto them for an inheritance: I am their inheritance: and you shall give them no possession in Israel: I am their possession
Again we are dealing with a translation based in the knowledge of the people of the time of Ezekiel and Ezra.  They would not have known nor understood the fact that all were going to be made priests and inherit the Kingdom of God.  It has been stated in this prophecy, but no one of that time would have understood or comprehended it.  It was simply “over their heads,” at that time.

 29.  They shall eat the meat offering, and the sin offering, and the trespass offering: and every dedicated thing in Israel shall be theirs.

Actually, at that time we will go back to eating as it is directed in Genesis 1, we will eat fish, fowl, vegetables, nuts and fruit, but red meat will disappear from our diets completely.

 30.  And the first of all the firstfruits of all things, and every oblation of all, of every sort of your oblations, shall be the priest's: you shall also give unto the priest the first of your dough, that he may cause the blessing to rest in thine house.

Of course, the “priest,” will have nothing to do with the “blessing” resting in our homes, because we will all be part of the family of God.

 31.  The priests shall not eat of any thing that is dead of itself, or torn, whether it be fowl or beast.

And again this commandment is given from God to protect His people from catching any disease that might have killed the animal in question, so that their lives might be long and fruitful in the world, and also in His Kingdom.

Interpreting the Bible Ezekiel 45

 1.  Moreover, when you shall divide by lot the land for inheritance, you shall offer an oblation unto the Lord, an holy portion of the land: the length shall be the length of five and twenty thousand reeds, and the breadth shall be ten thousand. This shall be holy in all the borders thereof round about.

Continuing to write to those who saw the world as it was then conceived, Ezekiel is writing as if they will still be living just in the land of Israel as it was during David and Solomon’s life time.  When the land was originally divided, Jerusalem was not part of the country.  It was over a 500 years before David captured it and made it part of Israel.  It is not possible that the measurement given here, was the original amount of land that was brought into the country when Jerusalem was captured.  25000 reeds would be 337,500 feet, or almost 64 miles.  The breadth of 10,000 reeds would be 135,000 feet or over 25.5 miles, but again, we are dealing with an attempt to translate an accurate measurement out of the original Hebrew, and that is not possible.  “Holy” only means that this area is to be set aside for the worship of God.  Now, if you took all the land that has been set aside for churches, in the world, these measurements would probably not come close to being the actual amount, but it would have appeared to those of Ezekiel’s time, to be more than adequate.

2.  Of this there shall be for the sanctuary five hundred in length, with five hundred in breadth, square round about; and fifty cubits round about for the suburbs thereof.

But again, God is not going to build a new temple, nor have one built, because his sanctuary will be within the hearts of all those whom He brings into the Kingdom.  The 500 set aside for the Sanctuary, does not mention if that is “reeds,” or “cubits,” but it is clear that there would be plenty of space around the outside of the sanctuary that the 50 cubits for the suburbs, will not fill.  50 cubits, is only 75 feet, which would be a nice buffer zone around the temple that would be free of development.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: the Book of Isaiah
« Last post by gary sechler on August 07, 2014, 07:08:49 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Isaiah 62 2-8
2.  And the Gentiles shall see your righteousness, and all kings your glory: and you shall
be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

That new name, will be Christian, which when God is finished with our reformation into perfect spiritual images of Jesus, when we enter into our full righteousness as prepared by God all the non-believers, will see our righteousness, and all kings will see our glory and they too will be honored to want to also be called Christians.

 3.  You shall also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of your God.

Those who make it through Justification into Sanctification, will be a crown of glory and will actually become part of the “hand” of God as an angel of God, doing the work of God helping Him to fulfill His purpose in the world, which is to remove all the evil from the world and replace it with good, love, compassion, and forgiveness.

 4.  You shall no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall your land any more be termed Desolate: but you shall be called Hephzibah, and your land Beulah: for the Lord delights in you, and your land shall be married.

No, then it will be obvious to the whole world, that you definitely are not forsaken, that your land is obviously not desolate.  And now we have some Hebrew words that were not understood by the translators and were left as names.  The first is “Hepzibah” which has an original meaning of, “to keep a pure and beautiful life as a couple here.”  The original meaning of “Beulah,” is “a couple of happiness starts to drink here.”  The “Land shall be married,” means that all families in the land will have married mothers and fathers, and they will be married to God both in word and in deeds, and the country will be united for the common good of all.

 5.  For as a young man marries a virgin, so shall your sons marry you: and as the bridegroom rejoices over the bride, so shall your God rejoice over you.

The young men, once sanctified, will marry themselves to God, giving their lives to living in His way and never straying from Him for their whole lives. 
 6.  I have set watchmen upon your walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: you that make mention of the Lord, keep not silence,

The “watchmen,” are the angels of God, who were originally called “watchers,” because that is what they did, they watched over humanity.  This has always been, and will continue, until all, who can be, are united into the Kingdom of God.

 7.  And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.

Jesus and the angels will be working together as a united entity and they are the “him” that is mentioned here, and they will not rest until the new Jerusalem that is to descend from heaven, is fully built and raised to the praise and glory of God.

 8.  The Lord has sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give your corn to be food for your enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink your wine, for that which you have labored:

No, once they have been Justified and remade into the spiritual image of Jesus, they will no longer be subject to having their material goods given to others, unless they themselves, give them to them, and they will, in order to help those in need.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
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