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Theology Forum / Re: The Book of Ezekiel
« Last post by gary sechler on June 30, 2014, 08:22:57 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Ezekiel 33 23-32
23.  The word of the Lord came to me: 
 24.  "Son of man, the inhabitants of these waste places in the land of Israel keep saying, 'Abraham was only one man, yet he got possession of the land; but we are many; the land is surely given for us to possess.'
The only land that Abraham owned in this land was the land he bought in order to bury Sarah, which also provided for him a burial place, it was not given to him.  This would have been inserted by Ezra, in order to create a “God given right to the land,” a false history which still plagues the Jeueish people to this day.  If you read the Bible, you will find in many places where the land is promised to Abraham’s descendants, by God, in the English.  The problem is that it is not there in the Hebrew.

25.  Therefore say to them, This says the Lord God: You eat flesh with the blood, and lift up your eyes to your idols, and shed blood; shall you then possess the land? 

According to the diet laws given to them from God, they were to bleed any animals they killed, before they cooked it and ate it.  Here evidently, they have been eating rare steaks, with the blood still in it, meaning that the possibility of parasites or bacteria could still be in the food, which could cause them to die an early death.  Lifting their eyes to idols, means they mistreat their children, sexually.  “shedding blood,” means they kill or bring about the death of innocent people.  “Shall you then posses the land,” means that they have not been honorable and are unworthy of receiving the gift of land from God.

 26.  You resort to the sword, you commit abominations and each of you defiles his neighbor's wife; shall you then possess the land? 

Continuing, God is having Ezekiel accuse them of taking lives by using swords, of committing unspecified abominations, as well as committing adultery, with their neighbor’s wives.

 27.  Say this to them, Thus says the Lord God: As I live, surely those who are in the waste places shall fall by the sword; and him that is in the open field I will give to the beasts to be devoured; and those who are in strongholds and in caves shall die by pestilence. 

God removes all hope for them by telling them that those who dwell in the dessert, shall be killed with the sword, Those who are in the grain fields, will be devoured by lions and dogs, those who think they’ve found a secure place to hide, will suffer from disease and die, they will not be able to escape the wrath of God.

 28.  And I will make the land a desolation, and a waste; and her pride will come to an end; and the mountains of Israel shall be so desolate that none will pass through. 

There will be nothing left in Israel to be proud of, the “mountains” of Israel is a reference to those who were rich and powerful before the second coming of Babylon, after the invasion, there will be no rich, and the only power will come from the invaders.

 29.  Then they will know that I am the Lord, when I have made the land a desolation, and a waste because of all their abominations which they have committed. 

They will know it, because of these prophecies from Ezekiel, and of course the words from Jeremiah.

 30.  "As for you, son of man, your people who talk together about you by the walls and at the doors of the houses, say to one another, each to his brother, 'Come, and hear what the word is that comes forth from the Lord.' 

Ezekiel was the entertainment for the day, and everyone came to hear what and how he was going to say it, but no one was going to change their ways and follow the commandments of God, as we find out in the next verse.

 31.  And they come to you as people come, and they sit before you as my people, and they hear what you say but they will not do it; for with their lips they show much love, but their heart is set on their gain. 
 32.  And, lo, you are to them like one who sings love songs with a beautiful voice and plays well on an instrument, for they hear what you say, but they will not do it.

Exactly, Ezekiel is their daily entertainment, some one to laugh at and ignore.  The things he speaks cannot be true, God would never destroy his city and His temple.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
UCC Café / Re: Share some daily Humor
« Last post by CindiK on June 30, 2014, 07:28:17 PM »
A young minister was called to a church with a long history and an historic building filled with stained glass: images of the apostles on either side and a multicolored image of Christ behind the chancel. Surveying the sanctuary for the first time, she noted a small plaque on the pulpit. Moving for a closer look, she saw it said

Pastor, we want to see Jesus.

Touched by this reminder, she endeavored to remember that people came to better know Jesus, not to know the preacher. And though she preferred to preach from the center of the chancel rather than from the imposing pulpit set to one side, she visited that plaque each morning to remind her to be humble.

One day after service, a few of the long-time members of the church approached the pastor. "Reverend, we have a small request of you. Would you mind very much preaching from the pulpit?"

She was a bit surprised at first, but the minister reasoned that these folks were probably accustomed to preaching from the pulpit. Pressing for a better understanding of their request, she asked "while I'm certainly willing to preach from the pulpit, can you tell me why that's important to you?"

"Because when you preach from the center of chancel," one of the members explained, "you block the view of the stained glass window, and we can't see Jesus."
Theology Forum / Re: the Book of Isaiah
« Last post by gary sechler on June 30, 2014, 06:54:45 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Isaiah 48 6-10 Lesson
6.  "You have heard; now see all this; and will you not declare it? From this time forth I make you hear new things, hidden things which you have not known. 

Over the centuries people have read the books of His prophets, especially Isaiah, and it is clear that God wrote the future, planned it, and carried it out.  He was the author, the producer, and the director, and He controlled the lives of major historical characters in order to bring about exactly what He wanted to be done in the world.  He controlled soldiers, generals, kings, emperors, no one was excluded, everyone in the process, carried out their work exactly as God directed, in order to achieve the results that God was searching for.

 7.  They are created now, not long ago; before today you have never heard of them, lest you should say, 'Behold, I knew them.' 

A difficult verse to put into understanding, and God did that on purpose.  God is prophesying exactly what happened.  That Biblical scholars will, from that time, in the future say, that Isaiah is writing these prophecies looking back at the History of Israel, not as future happenings, “behold I (Isaiah) knew them.”  But He didn’t, all Isaiah knew was what God revealed to him, and it was all written 100 to 700 years before it happened.  That is hard to see and understand until you see God face to face, then slowly over years, it becomes very clear that God has total and complete control over life on this planet.

 8.  You have never heard, you have never known, from of old your ear has not been opened. For I knew that you would deal very treacherously, and that from birth you were called a rebel. 

This is the reason you, as well as the rest of humanity who has not yet been brought into the Kingdom, have been kept in the dark, not allowed to see God face to face, or to hear Him speak.  You were made deaf and blind to the facts of God until such time as you were made holy enough to not rebel against Him and His work in the world.
 9.  "For my name's sake I deferred my anger, for the sake of my praise I restrain it for
you, that I may not cut you off. 

This refers back to Isaiah 33: 1.  Trouble to those that rob, and were not robbed; and that dealt treacherously, and they were not dealt treacherously with! when you shall cease to rob, you shall be robbed; and when you shall make an end to dealing treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with you.

Which is probably a hard concept for most people to comprehend.  When someone is going to rob or deal treacherously with someone, we want them stopped and stopped before someone is harmed.  The problem is, that God loves the victim of the robbery as well as the robber.  He wants both in His Kingdom, but He wants both of them Sanctified through Justification.  One has to learn not to rob or be a traitor, by being a robber or traitor, until God has had time to seal off their desire to rob and deal treacherously, then God goes about teaching them the flip side of the process, where they learn the victims side of the process, which reinforces the desire to no longer rob or be a traitor. Which makes them a prime candidate for the Kingdom.  God does it for His name sake, His chosen people are called by His name, Jeue (Jew), if He can make them to be perfectly honorable, trustworthy, where they can be trusted to always be honest and fair in everyway, then they bring glory to His name.

 10.  Behold, I have refined you, but not like silver; I have tried you in the furnace of affliction. 

We have a problem with the translation again, the Hebrew word for “law” is translated as “not” again.  This is how the verse should read:

10.  Behold, I will refine you like silver, starting with the law.  I will try you in the furnace of affliction. 

That is the process of Justification, that God uses to refine His chosen people not just into silver, but all the way to gold.  So they can join Him in His Kingdom.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: The Book of Ezekiel
« Last post by gary sechler on June 29, 2014, 06:09:42 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Ezekiel 33 13-22
13.  Though I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, yet if he trusts in his righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous deeds shall be remembered; but in the iniquity that he has committed he shall die. 
 14.  Again, though I say to the wicked, 'You shall surely die,' yet if he turns from his sin and does what is lawful and right, 
 15.  if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has taken by robbery, and walks in the statutes of life, committing no iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die. 
 16.  None of the sins that he has committed shall be remembered against him; he has done what is lawful and right, he shall surely live. 

Death in all cases, is not permanent, all are saved for the resurrection, but some are raised to a glorious happy life, and others into a desert famine or the hell of dope addiction or alcoholism, or to physical or mental abuse, to the point that many so afflicted would wish they were dead, but God has put them in these situations, so they can learn from them, and rise above their problems in order to be Sanctified and to join Jesus their brother in the Kingdom.  They are, what they are, because of what they were, and they will be what they will be, because of what they are.  This is extremely obvious in the Muslim Mafia, which is not a faith, but a mafia.  Most live in dry and arid lands, suffer from persecution and face the possibility of death or dismemberment daily.  A lot of them have earned their place in life, but a lot are the angels of God who go with the condemned into the hell that becomes their life, in order to lead them through trials, that will uncover their desire to sin, so it can be destroyed and replaced with good, compassion, love, and forgiveness, four things that are not prevalent in the Muslim Mafia.

 17.  "Yet your people say, 'The way of the Lord is not just'; when it is their own way that is not just. 

When you don’t think you see God and do not understand what He is doing or understand why, God is still doing what He is doing, it is easy to believe that God is not just, but, everything God does, is just.  No matter how unfair life seems, it is fair from God’s throne of Judgment.

 18.  When the righteous turns from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, he shall die for it. 
 19.  And when the wicked turns from his wickedness, and does what is lawful and right, he shall live by it. 

There is not much that can be added to that, except “as you do, you will be done unto,” which is exactly what God says in the next verse.  The wicked soul, will have to suffer as they have caused others to suffer, so that they will learn to never cause others to suffer in
that way again, but those who are not yet in the Kingdom, may never see those acts of Justification performed by God upon the former wicked soul.

 20.  Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' O house of Israel, I will judge each of you according to his ways." 

You can’t say,”as you do, I will do to you,” much plainer.

 21.  In the twelfth year of our exile, in the tenth month, on the fifth day of the month, a man who had escaped from Jerusalem came to me and said, "The city has fallen." 

Again the scribes who edited this scroll after their return from Babylon are attempting to make it seem like Ezekiel is still in Babylon, when he’s actually in Jerusalem, and know that it is fallen.  Jerusalem fell in 70 BC to Babylon.

 22.  Now the hand of the Lord had been upon me the evening before the fugitive came; and he had opened my mouth by the time the man came to me in the morning; so my  mouth was opened, and I was no longer dumb. 

 Again they continue the fable that Ezekiel had been struck mute, which is supposed to fulfill the fable prophecy in chapter 3, which did not hinder him in all the prophecies he spouted from chapters 3 –24.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: the Book of Isaiah
« Last post by gary sechler on June 29, 2014, 05:59:28 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Isaiah 47 13-end 48 1-5
13.  You are wearied in the multitude of your counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save you from these things that shall come upon you.

This is pure sarcasm, God is in control, there is nothing that the astrologers or stargazers or monthly prognosticators can tell them if God does not will them to and this time their
eyes and ears into the future, will be closed.

 14.  Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

They shall be as cold as ice, they will have no clue of what to do.

 15.  This shall they be unto you with whom you have labored, even your merchants, from your youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save you.

Isaiah 48

 1.  Hear this, O house of Jacob, who are called by the name of Israel, and who came forth from the loins of Judah; who swear by the name of the Lord, and confess the God of Israel, but not in truth or right.

The Hebrew word translated as Lord, is Jeue.  The Hebrew word translated as God, is a variation of Elohim, that describes God as the creator of families.  The original meaning being “starts women and men to drink here in life.”  The Hebrew word translated as Israel, has an original meaning of “again returning to create as one.”  It took two words to get there but it got there.  The Hebrew word translated as “not,” actually means the “law” the verse should read like this:

  1.  Hear this, O house of Jacob, who are called by the name of Israel, and who came forth from the loins of Judah; who swear by the name of Jeue, who started the law of truth, the law of righteousness.

 2.  For they call themselves after the holy city, and stay themselves on the God of Israel; the Lord of hosts is his name. 

It should read like this:
 2. A city of Holiness calls them to stay with the savior of Israel with wisdom and memories of love from the beginning with Jeue the angels name.

 3.  "The former things I declared of old, they went forth from my mouth and I made them known; then suddenly I did them and they came to pass. 

God explains what is going to happen hundreds and thousands of years before it comes to be, and in His time, God allows or causes it to happen.

 4.  Because I know that you are obstinate, and your neck is an iron sinew and your
forehead brass,

Hard headed humans !!  God  knows you, He knows what you will or won’t do, and He knows what He must do to change you, and just as He did it in centuries past, He’s going to do what is necessary again.

 5.  I declared them to you from of old, before they came to pass I announced them to you,
lest you should say, 'My idol did them, my graven image and my molten image commanded them.' 

God is explaining why He gave these future happenings to His prophets and specifically Isaiah, and He continues to prophesy about how His prophesies will be dealt with in the future.  If God had not disclosed exactly what was going to happen over the next 700 years, when it did happen, His actions could have easily have been credited to the false gods of that time.  God has Isaiah writing about future events so that in the far distant future of today, it will be obvious that God was the source of what happened, that He does live, and He does have the power to control what happens on this earth.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: The Book of Ezekiel
« Last post by gary sechler on June 28, 2014, 06:37:20 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Ezekiel 33 1-12
Ezekiel 33: 1.  The word of the Lord came to me:
2.  "Son of man, speak to your people and say to them, If I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from among them, and make him their watchman;

This is a beginning of an explanation by Ezekiel of why he has been doing, what he has been doing, he has been God’s chosen watchman for Judah and Jerusalem.  Of course, the king would have “watchmen” who were just soldiers on the walls looking for any army that might come into the land to attack the land and the city, and this is the basis for what Ezekiel is saying here.

3.  and if he sees the sword coming upon the land and blows the trumpet and warns the people; 

Which would be the job he was told to do.

4.  then if any one who hears the sound of the trumpet does not take warning, and the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.

Anyone who heard the trumpet warning and failed to heed the call would be personally responsible for their own life.  this could also be said, about the way we live our lives today.

5.  He heard the sound of the trumpet, and did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But if he had taken warning, he would have saved his life. 

Ezekiel is giving God’s warning to future prophets to always be on watch for those who would seek to attack the children of God.

 6.  But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, so that the people are not warned, and the sword comes, and takes any one of them; that man is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at the watchman's hand. 

Prophets who fail to share the warning that God gives them, will perish with those who did not hear the warning.

 7.  "So you, son of man, I have made a watchman for the house of Israel; whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them warning from me. 

See, finally, Ezekiel notes that he has been assigned the job of “watchman” by God.

 8.  If I say to the wicked, O wicked man, you shall surely die, and you do not speak to warn the wicked to turn from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.
Meaning, that Ezekiel would be held responsible for their death, the same as if he killed them.

 9.  But if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way; he shall die in his iniquity, but you will have saved your life. 

Everybody stands responsible for their own actions, although a prophets actions or lack of action, may cause them to be held responsible for the deaths or torture of others.

 10.  "And you, son of man, say to the house of Israel, Thus have you said: 'Our transgressions and our sins are upon us, and we waste away because of them; how then can we live?' 

Some teach that there was no salvation, until Jesus, but that is not true, here Ezekiel explains how a sinner can save themselves, and the same can be done today.

 11.  Say to them, As I live, says the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel?

 How many thought that that scripture came from the New Testament? It is that simple, and this is what is happening when someone gives themselves to Jesus.
This verse is used extensively when evangelists are trying to convince people to come forward and give themselves to God for salvation.

 12.  And you, son of man, say to your people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him when he transgresses; and as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall by it when he turns from his wickedness; and the righteous shall not be able to live by his righteousness when he sins. 

Salvation requires a solemn turn around in life, to change from being a sinner to being a righteous person, who seeks to do good, but the next three verses have to be taken into consideration by all.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: the Book of Isaiah
« Last post by gary sechler on June 28, 2014, 06:21:33 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Isaiah 47 8-12 Lesson
8.  Therefore hear now this, you that are given to pleasures, that dwells carelessly, that says in your heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:

 9.  But these two things shall come to you in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon you in their perfection for the multitude of your sorceries, and for the great abundance of your enchantments.

There is a lot of superstitious nonsense that plagued the middle ages when this was translated into English that found its way into the scripture.  Women have a way of feeding man’s desires to please them, as Herod’s stepdaughter did with Herod, sorcery has nothing to do with it, but in the middle ages, that was a fire that was easily flamed. The gist to remember is that what Isaiah prophesies did come true.  In one day, their soldier sons and husbands were killed by the Medes and Persians, as we learn in:

 Daniel 5: 30.  In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain.
 31.  And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.

Isaiah 47: 10.  For you have trusted in your wickedness: you have said, None sees me. your wisdom and your knowledge, it has perverted you; and you have said in your heart, I am, and none else beside me.

Meaning they were self centered and extremely greedy, caring only for themselves and their own pleasures.  God would allow them to do a necessary work for Him, but they would have to be dealt with in order to cleanse them too.

11.  Therefore shall evil come upon you; you shall not know from where it rises: and mischief shall fall upon you; you shall not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon you suddenly, which you shall not know.

And as we know from Daniel 5 this is exactly what happened to Babylon, the Medes and Persians surrounded them and came into the city at night through the river that flowed underneath the walls of the city.

 12.  Stand now with your enchantments, and with the multitude of your sorceries, wherein you have labored from your youth; if so be you shall be able to profit, if so be you may prevail.

This is the beliefs of the translators coming out, Isaiah has stated time and again, that Babylon prospered because of God who had blessed it with victories, now he appears to be taking God out of the process and saying that they were successful because of sorcery?  But the gist of it is that God will now overpower their sorcery and will take them down and allow them to be defeated.  The Hebrew word translated as “sorcery,” is Strong’s #3784 which is a prime root word, meaning “to whisper.” “A spell” is added to the definition to change it to “magic.”  The original meaning is “love returns changed,” which comes from someone who has had their affection stolen by another, leading to fornication or adultery, that of course has to be due to someone putting a spell on them to steal their love away.  So the women of Babylon are responsible for all the carnage that happened in Judah because of their sexual desires, and the temptations they used against their men who were soldiers in the Babylonian army.  This is pure Jerome, who created the dark ages when he reworked the scriptures and did away Jesus’ original theology.  The English translators were still indoctrinated with that dark theology when the Bible was translated into English, so nothing changed the false understanding of what happened, it continued to be a part of the Bible, that we must deal with today.  Sorcery had nothing to do with it, because there is nothing to sorcery, God controls this world, always has, always will.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / The abomination of desolation
« Last post by gary sechler on June 27, 2014, 06:28:01 PM »
The abomination of Desolation. Is mentioned in Matthew 24: 15.  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
And in Mark 13: 14.  But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
This comes from Daniel 11: 31.  And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
And from Daniel 12: 11.  And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
And is tied to Daniel 12: 12.  Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
The biggest problem in understanding this is the really poor translations, if you had grown up knowing Hebrew as it was spoken during the time of Daniel and of Jesus, you would understand, that the abomination of desolation, actually meant the destruction of all sins, which took place when Jesus was sacrificed (crucified) for our sins.  Abomination of desolation, should be translated the “desolation of abominations.”
His cross was stood up in the “holy place,” Jerusalem, standing where it ought not, in Jerusalem, let them in Judea flee to the mountains, because Rome was going to come in and destroy the temple.  The 1290 days in Daniel 11 is the 3.5 years from the time of Jesus’ baptism until His resurrection.  Jesus’ crucifixion was the sacrifice to replace the temple sacrifice forever.  The 1,335 days in Daniel 12 is the additional 45 days from the resurrection of Jesus until the coming of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. 

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: The Book of Ezekiel
« Last post by gary sechler on June 27, 2014, 05:47:35 PM »
Proof of God 321 Ezekiel 24 23-end 25 –32 exempted Lesson
Interpreting the Bible
23.  Your turbans shall be on your heads and your shoes on your feet; you shall not mourn or weep, but you shall pine away in your iniquities and groan to one another. 

They will not have time to think about and mourn over their losses, their captors, will demand that they load up their stuff and be ready to go into slavery again, just as they had been in Egypt.  They will be too busy moving, to mourn and shed tears for their loss.  They will groan and complain about the trials, tribulations and hardships they must endure, being carried off into slavery in Babylon.  For the next 720 years and beyond, they will continue to complain about their losses, their hardships, and their misfortune.

24.  This shall Ezekiel be to you a sign; according to all that he has done you shall do. When this comes, then you will know that I am the Lord God.'
God is telling them that what Ezekiel has acted out in a parable, they shall do in real life, and their life will change from one of liberty and wealth, to one of poverty and slavery.  When they arrive in Babylon and began their lives as slaves, They will realize that only God could predict what was going to happen to them and then have it come to pass. 
Once again proving the existence of God and His power in the world.  Enough time has passed since this was written and the prophecy fulfilled, that scholars today can easily discount the proof, by stating that it was written after they returned from Babylon, completely overlooking the fact, that when they returned, there was no time to write a prophecy of something that happened a 100 years before and absolutely no reason to do it, the need for the prophecy was long over with.
Ezekiel 24: 25.  "And you, son of man, on the day when I take from them their stronghold, their joy and glory, the delight of their eyes and their heart's desire, and also their sons and daughters, 

The prophecy continues to list what actually happened in Jerusalem and Judah. 

26.  on that day a fugitive will come to you to report to you the news. 

This verse returns briefly to continuing the false narative that Ezekiel is in Babylon, not in Jerusalem. 

27.  On that day your mouth will be opened to the fugitive, and you shall speak and be no longer dumb. So you will be a sign to them; and they will know that I am the Lord."

This verse refers back to chapter 3 verse 26 where Ezekiel was struck dumb by God, however, that has not come through in the translation of the intervening chapters, where Ezekiel has been prophesying to the ladies at the well, speaking with the elders, and acting out parables about the coming destruction of Judah and Jerusalem.   Actually, the fact that Ezekiel was in Jerusalem all along, has been proven over and over,

Ezekiel 25: 1.  The word of the Lord came to me: 
2.  "Son of man, set your face toward the Ammonites, and prophesy against them. 
3.  Say to the Ammonites, Hear the word of the Lord God: This says the Lord God, Because you said, 'Aha!' over my sanctuary when it was profaned, and over the land of Israel when it was made desolate, and over the house of Judah when it went into exile; 

Chapters 25 through 32, in my opinion were added in an attempt to take away the guilt of the Sanhedrin before the second invasion by Babylon.   These chapters contain prophesies about Ammon, Moab, Edom, and especially Tyre and Egypt, that did not come true.  Yes, the areas had problems, and wars, but nothing as bad as is described in these eight chapters.  I believe it is safe to assume that someone was attempting to justify their ancestors behaviors by creating prophesies about their neighbors who also suffered at that time because of the Babylon army and to remove some of the condemnation that would have been heaped upon their ancestors, who were responsible for the sins that brought God’s wrath down upon Judah and Jerusalem.  Attempting to make it look like they were just one of many countries that was defeated.
In Chapter 28 Ezekiel was to confront the prince of Tyre with his sins.  In chapter 29, he was to confront the Egyptian Pharaoh with his sins.  I do not believe that God would have wasted Ezekiel’s time by having him attempt to go to Tyre and confront their prince, nor go to Egypt and confront the Pharaoh.  Since there is nothing honest here to work with, I am going to go straight to chapter 33.  The biggest reasons for going to 33 is that a lot of the prophecies in chapter 25 – 32 did not fully come to pass, which is an honest indicator that Ezekiel did not receive them from God.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
Theology Forum / Re: the Book of Isaiah
« Last post by gary sechler on June 27, 2014, 05:34:29 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Isaiah 47 1-7 Lesson 3/13/14

 1.  Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for you shall no more be called tender and delicate.

In chapter 46 God through Ezekiel was telling those who made and worshiped idols how useless their work was, the idols were simply wood, stone, or metal, and they had no power like Jeue does through the Holy Spirit, and that God runs this world.  Now the daughters of Babylon who will be the future mothers and wives of the Chaldean people are going to find themselves defeated, with no ruler to lead them, their men are dead, and their future is all gone to dust.

 2.  Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover your locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.

No men are available for them to have as husbands, “take the millstones and grind meal,” is a way of saying they will become servants for their victors, “pass over the rivers,” is a way of saying they will become prostitutes.

 3.  Your nakedness shall be uncovered, yes, your shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet you as a man.

What was a parable in verse 2 becomes clear speech in verse 3.  God is going to do to Babylon what they will do to Judah.

 4.  As for our redeemer, the Lord of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.

Again the trinity is noted in the Hebrew word translated as “redeemer,” The original meaning of the word, is “three gods around begin,” the three being, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  “Lord,” is the name of God as our creator, Jeue.  “Of hosts,” refers to the angels that God will be making out of the souls He remakes into perfect spiritual images of Jesus, the original meaning of the Hebrew word translated as “hosts,” is “beautiful women and men start to arrive,” meaning that these “hosts” return to earth, to help God win His fight against evil.  God is saying, that He is not just the savior of the Jeues, but also of the Chaldeans, the people of Babylon, that they too will come to Him for salvation, and be received into His Kingdom.

 5.  Sit silent, and get into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for you shall no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.

Babylon’s “day” is over, they will never rise up again to be a dominant force in the world, now God will explain why He allowed them to do what they have done.

 6.  I was mad at my people, I have polluted mine inheritance, and given them into your
hand: you did show them no mercy; upon the ancient have you very heavily laid your yoke.

These are words to be savored by every victor in the future, God has allowed them to defeat His people as part of their Justification for their sins, in order to teach them not to do those things again, but in their victory, they went to far with their evil, and now, they must experience the same Justification for their sins, and it will come.

 7.  And you said, I shall be a lady forever: so that you did not lay these things to your heart, neither did you remember the latter end of it.

To understand this verse we must go forward in time to the death of John the Baptist.  In Mark 6 Herod’s step daughter had danced for him and he offered her anything as a gift and her mother told her to ask for the head of John the Baptist.  Herod’s step daughter would pay for this request at her latter end.  “Latter” means “final,” meaning that everything has to be Justified, and if God’s work had been done within reason, by Babylon, the ladies of Babylon would have continued in their plush life, but like Herod’s step daughter, their pressure against their mighty men, pushed them to go far beyond the desires of God for vengeance against the Jeues, and because of their extreme deeds there would be a heavy price to pay for all those in Babylon.

Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God
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