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Theology Forum / Re: Matthew 12:40
« Last post by rstrats on July 26, 2014, 03:23:58 PM »
gary sechler,

re:  "Boy are you dense !!"

How so?  I asked if anyone (who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week and who thinks that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language)  knows of any writing from the first century or before which shows a phrase being used that stipulates a specific number of days an/or a specific number of nights where at least a portion of each one of them absolutely could not have been included.  If it was a commom idiom of the time you'd think that there would be at least one example to support their assertion.  So far no one - including yourself - has provided any such writing. For the purpose of this topic, that is the only thing that I am interested in hearing about.  There are other topics that discuss the 4th, 5th and 6th day theories. 
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Theology Forum / Re: The Book of Ezekiel
« Last post by gary sechler on July 25, 2014, 06:16:29 PM »
Inter the Bible Ezekiel 40 29-42 Lesson
Interpreting the Bible
29.  And the little chambers thereof, and the posts thereof, and the arches thereof, according to these measures: and there were windows in it and in the arches thereof round about: it was fifty cubits long, and five and twenty cubits broad.

Again, the South gate also has six little chambers, just as the East and the North gates.

 30.  And the arches round about were five and twenty cubits long, and five cubits broad.
 31.  And the arches thereof were toward the utter court; and palm trees were upon the posts thereof: and the going up to it had eight steps.

Here another step is added,

 32.  And he brought me into the inner court toward the east: and he measured the gate according to these measures.

We appear to have skipped the West gate and are back measuring the East gate again, which hasn’t changed.  This is the fourth gate.

 33.  And the little chambers thereof, and the posts thereof, and the arches thereof, were according to these measures: and there were windows therein and in the arches thereof round about: it was fifty cubits long, and five and twenty cubits broad.
 34.  And the arches thereof were toward the outward court; and palm trees were upon the posts thereof, on this side, and on that side: and the going up to it had eight steps.
 35.  And he brought me to the north gate, and measured it according to these measures;
 36.  The little chambers thereof, the posts thereof, and the arches thereof, and the windows to it round about: the length was fifty cubits, and the breadth five and twenty cubits.
 37.  And the posts thereof were toward the utter court; and palm trees were upon the posts thereof, on this side, and on that side: and the going up to it had eight steps.

This is the fifth gate.  Again we go to the North gate to measure it again, and still no West gate.  What I have to deduce from this is mistranslation, what we appear to have is a pentagon with five sides and five gates, and the translator was not able to deduce a true direction for any of the sides.

 38.  And the chambers and the entries thereof were by the posts of the gates, where they washed the burnt offering.

Now we find for certain, that what he has been describing is the temple and its court yard, where now we reach the area where the sacrifices are prepared for slaughtering by being washed.

 39.  And in the porch of the gate were two tables on this side, and two tables on that side, to slay thereon the burnt offering and the sin offering and the trespass offering.
This “porch,” is inside the temple, just off the court yard, is the slaughter area, where the animals were slain, bled, skinned, and butchered up to be barbecued.

 40.  And at the side without, as one goes up to the entry of the north gate, were two tables; and on the other side, which was at the porch of the gate, were two tables.
 41.  Four tables were on this side, and four tables on that side, by the side of the gate; eight tables, whereupon they slew their sacrifices.
 42.  And the four tables were of hewn stone for the burnt offering, of a cubit and an half long, and a cubit and an half broad, and one cubit high: whereupon also they laid the instruments wherewith they slew the burnt offering and the sacrifice.

These tables being of stone, that was probably highly polished, like modern day cabinet tops, so they would be easily cleaned between sacrifices.  Stone was also used for water jars and anything that had to be stored or cooked kosher.

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Theology Forum / Re: the Book of Isaiah
« Last post by gary sechler on July 25, 2014, 06:06:44 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Isaiah 57 7-12
7.  Upon a high and lofty mountain you have set your bed, and there you went up to offer
sacrifice. 

Ya’ll know well, the phrase, “You’ve made your bed, and now you’re going to have to lay in it.”  This is the source of that phrase, and the children of Israel did have to do, exactly that.  Along came the armies of Babylon, Greece, and the Romans, to join them in that bed, Isaiah expands upon that in the next verses.

8.  Behind the door and the doorpost you have set up your symbol; for, deserting me, you have uncovered your bed, you have gone up to it, you have made it wide; and you have made a bargain for yourself with them, you have loved their bed, you have looked on nakedness. 
 9.  You journeyed to Molech with oil and multiplied your perfumes; you sent your envoys far off, and sent down even to Sheol.

The Hebrew word translated as “Molech” which is supposed to be the name of a foreign god who required child sacrifice, also means “King.”  “Kings” is a possible meaning for this word, meaning that they sent envoys to foreign kings with olive oil, frankincense, and myrrh, “Sheol” means the “grave,” meaning that the envoys died, or that because of those envoys, the armies of Babylon, the Greeks and the Romans would be coming to Judah and killing two thirds of the people.

 10.  You were wearied with the length of your way, but you did not say, "It is hopeless"; you found new life for your strength, and so you were not faint. 

As are most Christians who have been looking for the second coming of Jesus most of their lives, not understanding that the “second coming” is a personal, “one on one” experience that they must “grow” into, not the one time experience for the world at the same time, that they have been taught.  The Jeues especially have been wearied because they grow up learning of the trials and tribulations that have been placed upon their people for many centuries, not understanding that it was a growth process that all souls must pass through in order to find true peace and happiness.  Becoming the spiritual image of Jesus is the end results, so we are not Jeues, Muslims, blacks, whites, or Mexicans forever, the road is a long one, but a fruitful one, where in the end we become spiritual equals with Jesus, who, Red, or yellow, black or white, all will be equal in His sight.

 11.  Whom did you dread and fear, so that you lied, and did not remember me, did not give me a thought? Have I not held my peace, even for a long time, and so you do not fear me? 

During those times, we did not dread or fear God, because we did not believe in Him or account to Him all the things that were happening in the world that He was doing for our own good, and because He did not speak for centuries through a prophet who was
creditable, we did not give Him a place in the world, when in reality the world was His.

 12.  I will tell of your righteousness and your doings, but they will not help you. 

Our righteousness was nonexistent, our doings were evil, though we saw it as pleasure, fun, and exciting, and of course they cannot help us in times of trouble.  The evil and victims of our pleasure will now be us.

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Theology Forum / Re: The Book of Ezekiel
« Last post by gary sechler on July 24, 2014, 07:45:54 PM »
Inter the Bible Ezekiel 40 18-28 Lesson
Interpreting the Bible
 18.  And the pavement by the side of the gates over against the length of the gates was the lower pavement.
 19.  Then he measured the breadth from the forefront of the lower gate unto the forefront of the inner court without, an hundred cubits eastward and northward.

A hundred cubits is a 150 ft. the gate faces the East, so the court yard would stretch a 150 ft. to the East, and be a 150 ft. in width. Probably centering upon the gate, 75 ft. in both directions possibly both North and South, or could be a 150 ft. to the North starting at the side of the gate.

 20.  And the gate of the outward court that looked toward the north, he measured the length thereof, and the breadth thereof.

This would be the court of the gentiles, where gentiles would be allowed to come and buy food that had been prepared in the temple.  The temple was the main source of meat and bread for the city of Jerusalem.

 21.  And the little chambers thereof were three on this side and three on that side; and the posts thereof and the arches thereof were after the measure of the first gate: the length thereof was fifty cubits, and the breadth five and twenty cubits.

Just as we discussed last time about the East gate, the North Gate, would also have six small chambers, where everyone who entered would be inspected, and nothing that was not allowed to enter the temple, would be stopped and turned back.

 22.  And their windows, and their arches, and their palm trees, were after the measure of the gate that looks toward the east; and they went up unto it by seven steps; and the arches thereof were before them.

So the gate to the North is designed exactly like the gate to the East, but the steps leading up to the gate is numbered as seven.

 23.  And the gate of the inner court was over against the gate toward the north, and toward the east; and he measured from gate to gate an hundred cubits.

So, again, there are a 150 feet, in the courtyard between the gates.

 24.  After that he brought me toward the south, and behold a gate toward the south: and he measured the posts thereof and the arches thereof according to these measures.

Now we go to the third gate that must be directly opposite the North Gate, because it opens to the South.

 25.  And there were windows in it and in the arches thereof round about, like those windows: the length was fifty cubits, and the breadth five and twenty cubits.

Again, these measurements are the same as was measured at the East gate.

 26.  And there were seven steps to go up to it, and the arches thereof were before them: and it had palm trees, one on this side, and another on that side, upon the posts thereof.
 27.  And there was a gate in the inner court toward the south: and he measured from gate to gate toward the south an hundred cubits.
 28.  And he brought me to the inner court by the south gate: and he measured the south gate according to these measures;

We have a matching gate opposite the North gate that is designed with the same measurements as the East and the North gates.

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Theology Forum / Re: the Book of Isaiah
« Last post by gary sechler on July 24, 2014, 07:36:22 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Isaiah 56 11-end 57 1-6

 11.  The dogs have a mighty appetite; they never have enough. The shepherds also have no understanding; they have all turned to their own way, each to his own gain, one and all. 

The “dogs” refers to the non-religious leaders of the people, they are eat up with greed, and they “never have enough.”  The “shepherds,” are the priests and rabbis, they have become saturated with greed also.

 12.  "Come," they say, "let us get wine, let us fill ourselves with strong drink; and tomorrow will be like this day, great beyond measure." 

So they cannot be depended upon, the whole system of checks and balances has broken down.  It was up to God to clean house and he would have to get His house back in order, one soul at a time, and so He did.
Now Isaiah 57.

 1.  The righteous man perishes, and no one lays it to heart; devout men are taken away, while no one understands. For the righteous man is taken away from calamity, 

The good people are dying out, being removed by God to save them from the evil that is coming, so they will not have to endure suffering for sins they did not commit.

 2.  he enters into peace; they rest in their beds who walk in their uprightness.
 
 3.  But you, draw near hither, sons of the sorceress, offspring of the adulterer and the harlot. 

The good people are removed, prior to the second coming of the Babylon army, the Greeks, and the Romans.  Each time, only the evil souls are left behind to face the terrible tribulations that will fall upon Judea and Jerusalem.  The same thing happened in Europe prior to WWI & WWII. Of course there were those on the verge of being righteous who had to go through some of those trials and tribulations.

 4.  Of whom are you making sport? Against whom do you open your mouth wide and put out your tongue? Are you not children of transgression, the offspring of deceit, 

The evil people think they are smarter than the righteous and they make fun of them, laugh at them behind their backs, they engage in activities that can take money and wealth away from those who are fair and just.     We see the same things today on a larger and grander scale, known as the commodities and/or stock market.

5.  you who burn with lust among the oaks, under every green tree; who slay your children in the valleys, under the clefts of the rocks? 

Well, well, well, here we are catching up completely with our “save the planet” groups and the women’s choice or pro abortion fools.

 6.  Among the smooth stones of the valley is your portion; they, they, are your lot; to them you have poured out a drink offering, you have brought a cereal offering. Shall I be appeased for these things? 

“smooth stones of the valley” the valley of the shadow of death, a smooth stone to mark their spot in a valley in a valley.  The drink offering is made to God, but drunk by the sinner, the grain offering is baked into bread, offered to God, but also eaten by the sinner. 
The sinner not understanding the process of sacrifice, believes that these offerings will appease God and remove their sins, but God is NOT appeased, and only their walking away from these evil things will appease God.  They must go and sin no more.

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Theology Forum / Re: Matthew 12:40
« Last post by gary sechler on July 24, 2014, 07:23:11 PM »
Boy are you dense !!
your question from a year and a half ago: Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion” with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day.  I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that a phrase stating a certain number of days, as well as a certain number of nights was ever used in the first century or before when it absolutely didn’t include at least parts of the specified number of days and at least parts of the specified number of nights?During the past 18 months, you appear to have done nothing, to answer your question, except post here and ridicule the only real answer.  Have you attempted to find an answer on your own?  if you would have searched out you question, You would find that Christian history of the first century is extremely limited and nothing on what you ask would be covered, because it was a problem that was created by the catholic church when it decided it did not want to feed pilgrims to Rome for a week during Easter, which is something it had been doing for hundreds of years.  Once the church decided to shorten the celebration period to 3 days, the problem of how to explain Jesus being in the grave for three days, when they were teaching that it was only 2 became a problem.  That is when this horse manure was created.  If you read my posts, this is explained, but you have to think a little to answer your particular point.  evidently, you were incapable of doing so.
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Theology Forum / Re: Matthew 12:40
« Last post by rstrats on July 23, 2014, 10:51:27 PM »
gary sechler,

re:  "Yeah, I know..."

So if you know that you haven't provided the information that was requested in the OP, I wonder why you responded?
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Theology Forum / Re: The Book of Ezekiel
« Last post by gary sechler on July 23, 2014, 07:01:39 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Ezekiel 40 8-17
8.  He measured also the porch of the gate within, one reed.
9.  Then measured he the porch of the gate, eight cubits; and the posts thereof, two cubits; and the porch of the gate was inward.

“The porch of the gate was inward,” meaning the porch was inside the temple, because as we will see later, the roof over the porch would protect the animals from foul weather as it was being slaughtered.  The posts, were short, because they are only 3 ft. square to hold the roof over the porch.

10.  And the little chambers of the gate eastward were three on this side, and three on that side; the three were of one measure: and the posts had one measure on this side and on that side.

Meaning that there were six chambers that anyone entering the temple must pass through before they would enter the temple.  All six chambers were the same size, and there were different inspectors who all must be satisfied that the ones entering the temple were O.K. to enter the temple.

 11.  And he measured the breadth of the entry of the gate, ten cubits; and the length of the gate, thirteen cubits.

The depth of the wall at the gate, is 10 cubits, or 15 ft. the length of the gate opening, is 13 cubits, or almost 20 ft.  The thickness of stone walls of that period, were from 15 feet to 20 feet.

 12.  The space also before the little chambers was one cubit on this side, and the space was one cubit on that side: and the little chambers were six cubits on this side, and six cubits on that side.

So, the little chambers are approximately 9 ft. x 9 ft. with an additional 18 to 20 inches between each chamber.

 13.  He measured then the gate from the roof of one little chamber to the roof of another: the breadth was five and twenty cubits, door against door.

Twenty five cubits would be a little over 37 ft.

 14.  He made also posts of threescore cubits, even unto the post of the court round about the gate.

The posts at threescore cubits, would be over 90 ft. high.  This is the approximate height of the wall surrounding the Temple.

 15.  And from the face of the gate of the entrance unto the face of the porch of the inner gate were fifty cubits.
Fifty cubits, would be 75 ft. which would be the depth of the wall where the gates and the little chambers were at.

 16.  And there were narrow windows to the little chambers, and to their posts within the gate round about, and likewise to the arches: and windows were round about inward: and upon each post were palm trees.

The little windows would be designed so that a spear or an arrow could be sent out to kill any invaders who would attempt to take the temple in a war.  The windows had arched tops and the sides of the windows were decorated with carved palm trees.

 17.  Then brought he me into the outward court, and, lo, there were chambers, and a pavement made for the court round about: thirty chambers were upon the pavement.

The floor is paved with stones, and there are 30 rooms that were used for eating around the court yard. 

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Theology Forum / Re: the Book of Isaiah
« Last post by gary sechler on July 23, 2014, 06:51:01 PM »
Interpreting the Bible Isaiah 56 1-8

 1.  This says the Lord: "Keep justice, and do righteousness, for soon my salvation will come, and my deliverance be revealed. 

And it did, 600 years later when Jesus entered the world as the Messiah of the Jeueish people, which will grow and expand to cover the world.

 2.  Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who holds it fast, who keeps the sabbath, not profaning it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil." 

The original meaning of the Hebrew word translated as “sabbath,” was ‘to return to woman,” meaning that men were to return from the field or woods and spend a day with his family in order to grow closer together as a family.  “Profaning it,” would mean, continuing to work or to perform an evil act such as stealing, killing, or hurting someone.

 3.  Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say, "The Lord will surely separate me from his people"; and let not the eunuch say, "Behold, I am a dry tree." 

The Hebrew word for “Eunuch” has an original meaning of “here an ancient wisdom is created to live with that ancient wisdom,” meaning that the soul who becomes a eunuch, was responsible for making someone a eunuch in the past, or as they have done, they are done unto, by God.  This also applies to homosexuals.

 4.  For this says the Lord: "To the eunuchs who keep my sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, 
 5.  I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name which shall not be cut off. 

Meaning they will become angels of God, even though they are far from it in this life, and most who bear this in this life, today are far from following these directions.

 6.  "And the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord, to minister to him, to love the name of the Lord, and to be his servants, every one who keeps the sabbath, and does not profane it, and holds fast my covenant-- 
 7.  these I will bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer;
their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples. 

This is the scripture Jesus quoted when He drove the money changers out of the temple.  Here Isaiah reinforces the directions of Moses to take in the stranger who chooses to follow God and obey His commandments, which Ezra had countered, with his “only the Jeues” requirements.

 8.  This says the Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, I will gather yet others to him besides those already gathered." 

Meaning all of the gentiles, who will give themselves to Him for Justification, will be taken in.

 9.  All you beasts of the field, come to devour-- all you beasts in the forest. 

Since those who God choose, have turned their backs on Him, God is willing to receive any soul that is willing to walk in His way, even if it currently occupied a beast in the fields.

 10.  His watchmen are blind, they are all without knowledge; they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; dreaming, lying down, loving to slumber. 

The “watchmen,” were the seventy, the Sanhedrin, and God is saying that everyone of them is blind and cannot see the way of God.  One who is “dumb” could not speak, therefore a “dumb dog,” is one that cannot bark.  The seventy were supposed to be the ones to make sure the commandments of God were followed and to “bark” or warn the priests, so they could warn the people, when the commandments were not being followed.

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Theology Forum / Re: Matthew 12:40
« Last post by gary sechler on July 23, 2014, 06:41:34 PM »
Yeah, I know, but one day, you'll grow up.
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